Bucks-Raptors

[Bryan Colangelo]

TORONTO TRADES:
78 Hedo Turkoglu - $9,000,000 - $9,800,000 - $10,600,000 - $11,400,000 - $12,200,000
68 Rasho Nesterovic - $1,990,000
TOTAL: $10,990,000


MILWAUKEE TRADES:
69 Dan Gadzuric - $6,745,000 - $7,243,750
57 Randolph Morris - $855,189
68 DerMarr Johnson - $577,000
68 Brian Cardinal - $577,000
Bucks '10 1st Rounder
TOTAL: $8,754,189


Seeing as I have extra cap space this trade is able to go through. Turk has probably been the biggest disappointment but the way I see it it's a low risk high award trade for me. Yes I am giving up a 1st rounder and alot of cap room over the next few years that could possibly cripple me but I want to add all the fire power I can to make a push for the playoffs + more. I want to win now is what this basically comes down to. I accept. Thanks guys

[Stan Van Gundy]

Kudos to Toronto for getting rid of Turks.

[Phil Jackson]

lol this isn't real life, sim Turk isn't going to protest playing for sim Toronto, your giving away an x-factor like Hedo for basically a 1st rounder. I'm not sure how to vote though, I want to hear from other trade committee members first.

[Bryan Colangelo]

Ya he sure isn't but whos going to want to on his contract after his ratings drop next sim year when hes played like absolute crap this year? I'm pretty sure Toronto has tried trading Turk before but no one wants his contract esp. at his age.

BTW this isn't just for a first rounder....Toronto saves money this year on this trade and basically every other year that they have Turk on contract lol

EDIT: take a look at Toronto's salary situation for next year if this deal goes down....do you see how much cap space that is? Point is, there's more to this deal then ratings. Take a look at it from a financial stand point. I'm taking a huge risk...what if my team doesnt perform like it hasnt been the past 3 games? makes it an even better deal for Toronto.

[Phil Jackson]

Apparently you want him.

EDIT: I personally don't understand the strategy of dismissing your side of the trade as an argument for it to go through. Anyway it isn't like im campaining for this trade to be rejected, I have only put my vote on hold.

[David Robinson]

I agree with Bryan. Toronto's current roster was a mess. They had a bunch of nasty contracts on their team as in Bargaini, Hedo and Calderon. Their team wasn't a top notch team anyways. I can see TOR doing this irl and I wouldn't even bat a eye if they did.

[Bryan Colangelo]

Jun 2, 2010 4:07:19 GMT Phil Jackson said:

Apparently you want him.

Of course, he's one of my favourite players despite his drop off this year. Was a fan of his since his days in Orlando.

Thanks San An for your support ;D

[Ian Noble]

I'm going to accept this deal for the opposite reason I reject others: It's realistic. (if that makes any sense, lol)

I accept.

[Alvin Hendrix]

Accept

[Jerry West]

I think Raptor's GM need to accept this one.

[Josh Barber]

I'm going to reject... even if the Raptors would do it in real life, you could have gotten a ton more for Calderon and now you could get a ton more for Turkoglu... There's no point of just throwing away tradeable players

[Erik Lassen]

You actually beleive Turk has a higher value than this? Be honest, did you watch a single Raptors game last season? Answer... no. He's garbage. The whole reason for the demise of the Raptors throughout the season was his piss poor play, and even worse attitude. Him, Jose, and Andrea made no effort to defend, rebound, or anything that equates to winning against half decent teams. I am glad to get rid of them, and the fact that I got cap space, and THREE first rounders along with a quality talent like Al Horford is better than the real life Raps will get for any of these bums. If anything, I think I've put myself in a position to be a pretty damn good team. I kept all my best players (Bosh, Derozan, Weems, Jack, Johnson) while aquiring cap space, and picks.

I accept obviously.

If Colangelo had actually realized the flaws in the extremely one dimensional team he had made, he would have tried to spin a trade like this at the deadline to keep Bosh. Unfortunetly, he thought having the worst defence in NBA history was a good thing apperently...

[Phil Jackson]

Well, I watched almost every Raps game last season, they are my favourite team and you can't blame their underachievement on Turkoglu alone. He was a dissappointment but he was not a cancer to the team. He had many positive games and I think you are only looking at the generalization of him for the season.

I think that because you don't like these players you won't look at their talent and their upside. Turk led the Raptors in steals per game and Andrea led the them in blocks per game and was the only player to even average more the 1 per game.

DeRozan was also last on the team in +/- by far, he was -226 for the season and you list him as one of the best. Why don't you knock him for bad defense? Weems is also not one of the best Raps players, not even close. He had a very good end to the season and I think that is all your remembering.

I think you have generalized Jose too, over the last few years he has developed a stigma of an inability to guard NBA players, well he was the PG for the Atlantic division champion team, he did the job then. He also has a higher +/- than his counterpart Jack, so Jose's affect on team defense was better than Jerrett's. Guarding NBA point guards is nearly impossible thing to do and Jose has just been labelled as the source of failure for the last few season the way Hedo was this year.

I may be taking this too far but I just completely disagree when people blame Turk as the source of all bad things this year.

[Ian Noble]

Josh Barber - reject
Alvin Hendrix - accept
Ian Noble - accept
Phil Jackson - ~~

[Erik Lassen]

I have to say Turks effort was minimal, and his shot selection was abysmal. His drives were off balance and akward at best, and his jump shots were all contested bricks. He had three or four 20 point games this year I beleive. One of which was against the Knicks. His d was overrated, and he consistantly got torched by anyone with average to quick foot speed. Derozan's +/- was shit because he started for the majority of the season against the Ray Allens and Kobe Bryants of the league on an almost daily basis, when he was only 19 years old I might add. He was our best player (aside from Bosh) at drawing fouls. And his jumpshot only improved towards the end of the year. And you can't use Bargs 1 block per game as an example of me throwing away talent when I traded him for Al Horford, a MUCH better defensive player.

[Bryan Colangelo]

thank you!!!! this deal is finally done with!!

[Bryan Colangelo]

honestly though trade committee....not trying to bash you guys at all but you guys need to accept trades quicker so Ian can put them through simulations. We're all trying to fight for something here whether its a championship or a playoff spot and if you guys take forever to accept trades when you guys are clearly going online and offline it hurts our chances at a playoff run especially if we feel the deal is for the better of our team. One win can make the difference from playoff spot to outside looking in. Take real life Toronto for example.

[Phil Jackson]

I guess I will accept this, I think Raps GM could get more for him and I think this trade is only happening because he doesn't like Turk but in the end it isn't all that horrible of a trade... So I believe thats 4 votes and this can be over and done with.

[George Karl]

hmm well i waited kinda...dont really like the deal...its close for an decline...but we no 80+ players involved i accept.

[Ian Noble]

Trade Finalized.