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Post by James McGowan on May 16, 2010 15:36:56 GMT
PHI trades::
89 Andre Iguodala - $12,200,000 - $12,345,250 - $13,531,750 - $14,718,250 - $15,904,750
70 Marreese Speights - $1,658,280 - $1,773,960 - $2,721,254 - $3,823,362
Total incoming salary:: $11,307,586
Total outgoing salary:: $13,858,280
POR trades::
80 LaMarcus Aldridge - $5,844,826 - $10,700,000 - $11,800,000 - $13,000,000 - $14,100,000 - $15,200,000
69 Nicolas Batum - $1,118,760 - $1,196,760 - $2,155,364 - $3,166,230
74 Martell Webster - $4,344,000 - $4,800,000 - $5,256,000 - $5,712,000
POR 2012 1st round pick
Total incoming salary:: $13,858,280
Total outgoing salary:: $11,307,586
I accept, I love the idea of paring up Roy with Iggy. (note I will need to sign a FA for this to go through as it will put my roster at 11 players)
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Post by Alvin Hendrix on May 16, 2010 16:03:17 GMT
What the hell?
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Post by Ian Noble on May 16, 2010 16:43:24 GMT
Philadelphia after this trade: C - Dalembert PF - LaMarcus Aldridge SF - Nicolas Batum SG -  PG - Louis Williams Portland after this trade: C - Camby PF - Marreese Speights SF - Andre Iguodala SG - Brandon Roy PG - Andre Miller I can see why Portland is doing this, but it doesn't really do *anything* for Philly, and infact leaves them wide open at the SG spot. I reject. Sorry Portland. |
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Post by Charles Barkley on May 16, 2010 17:27:02 GMT
Boston, you're forgetting Young.
This will be my future lineup for years to come:
C - Pick/FA signing (right now Dally)
PF - Aldridge
SF - Young
SG - Batum (he can play SG as well, but as Roy is in the way in Portland)
PG - Holiday
Bench:
Williams
Webster
Carney
Smith
Meeks
The ages of the main core: 24, 21, 21, 19, 23, 24, 26, 24, 22. Plus I'm going to try trade Dalembert for a young defensive center to build the team up with (something along the line of Biedrins or Okafor). That's one insanely young group filled with talent, I have very high hopes for Young, Batum and Holiday, the rest of the group will be what they currently are - bench players and you already know what you'll get from Aldridge (I see him posting up the same numbers as he is for the rest of the decade).
As for ratings wise, which I usually don't put much thought into it, Iggy is vastly overrated, he's great defender and is very versatile, but he isn't more than a 2nd-3rd fiddle, just like Aldridge. You can't build your team on a 2nd-3rd fiddle, the past years have shown that. I would still rate Iggy more than Aldridge, but the difference isn't definitely that far. I would say 3, max 5 points. Let's just say that one part of the trade would be Iggy for Aldridge and Webster. That leaves Batum and 1st for Speights. Speights is probably going to be great player in the future, but he has some major weaknesses in his game. Like I mentioned I'm very high on Batum, most of you probably won't agree with me, but he is at least as great defender as Iggy is and that says a lot. He's got a great range (41% from the 3, 52% FG%) and I would take him over Speights any day of the week. He won't be a superstar, but I can see him making at least to one or two ASG lineups. Plus I get another pick from this deal.
Another thing is that this clears up the logjam for small forward, where my 2 best players were - Young and Iggy. Now I have more balanced and better all-around team. If this deal would be offered IRL as well for Philly, I would be very happy to welcome it. I can explain more of my future plans with it, if necessary.
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Post by Charles Barkley on May 16, 2010 18:00:29 GMT
Could an further explanation can be gotten of why this is such a bad deal for me?
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Post by Josh Barber on May 16, 2010 18:31:17 GMT
Iguoudala is a bit overrated IMO, and its hard to come across a good big man like Aldridge. Barkley is also receiving nice pieces along with Aldridge.
I accept
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Post by Ian Noble on May 16, 2010 19:00:17 GMT
I admire the size of the explanation you've given Mr Barkley, but some of it comes across like Fox News propaganda or Ann Coulter doublespeak, terrifying in its self-certainty but fundamentally lacking in substance or ethical basis, lol. As for ratings wise, which I usually don't put much thought into it, Iggy is vastly overrated, he's great defender and is very versatile, but he isn't more than a 2nd-3rd fiddle, just like Aldridge. You can't build your team on a 2nd-3rd fiddle, the past years have shown that. I would still rate Iggy more than Aldridge, but the difference isn't definitely that far. This sentence did it for me. I reject. So Iggy is "vastly overrated", "isn't more than a 2nd-3rd fiddle", and you "would still rate Iggy more than Aldridge" but apparently after the trade you'll have "...one insanely young group filled with talent". I'm sorry, Glenn Beck, I'm not sold ;D |
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Post by Phil Jackson on May 16, 2010 19:00:34 GMT
I dont have a problem with this trade. Philly's team is rebuilding and he is all about getting young so i dont think it matters that there is an open SG spot. There is the draft, free agency and still more trades that he can make as his team grows and gets better to fill his roster. The 76ers arent going anywhere with the team already there so why not move your biggest asset to restart and rebuild.
I accept.
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Post by Charles Barkley on May 16, 2010 19:31:58 GMT
I admire the size of the explanation you've given Mr Barkley, but some of it comes across like Fox News propaganda or Ann Coulter doublespeak, terrifying in its self-certainty but fundamentally lacking in substance or ethical basis, lol. As for ratings wise, which I usually don't put much thought into it, Iggy is vastly overrated, he's great defender and is very versatile, but he isn't more than a 2nd-3rd fiddle, just like Aldridge. You can't build your team on a 2nd-3rd fiddle, the past years have shown that. I would still rate Iggy more than Aldridge, but the difference isn't definitely that far. This sentence did it for me. I reject. So Iggy is "vastly overrated", "isn't more than a 2nd-3rd fiddle", and you "would still rate Iggy more than Aldridge" but apparently after the trade you'll have "...one insanely young group filled with talent". I'm sorry, Glenn Beck, I'm not sold ;D Vastly is probably said too much, yes perhaps, but he really should be rated as a second fiddle player around 85, not around where he is now. If you're going to build on a player like Iggy, you're going to fail miserably. I somewhat contradict myself, as Aldridge isn't the leader either you should count on, but that's one piece what I've been missing as well - scoring big men (he isn't a low post guy, but he gets the job done). Again the last sentence is probably little too exaggerated for most people, but like said I have very high hopes for the potential of this team. The biggest difference where you and I probably stand apart is Batum. I'm being like a broken record repeating over and over, but I think his ceiling is being poor man's Scottie Pippen (again you might think I'm crazy). But nevermind that, if you don't like this deal in my department, I'll accept that, I'll try to get Batum some other way then. Also, I have another good offer for Iggy already, so I'll might do that then (if this gets rejected). |
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Post by Zee Low on May 17, 2010 9:38:51 GMT
I don't think this is a bad deal for Philly at all. He gets LMA, and Batum, who I rate very highly as well. He has great length and he uses it to defend very well. Plus he gets a first and it lets him continue his rebuilding.
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Post by Ian Noble on May 17, 2010 11:56:54 GMT
Phil Jackson - accept
Josh Barber - accept
Ian Noble - reject
Bobbie Knight - reject
Alvin Hendrix - reject
I'll PM George Karl!
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Post by George Karl on May 17, 2010 12:37:56 GMT
Phil Jackson - accept Josh Barber - accept Ian Noble - reject Bobbie Knight - reject Alvin Hendrix - reject I'll PM George Karl! oh well so if i accept its 3:3...which means nothing and if i reject its rejected anyways...its not a bad trade but imo Roy would do better with LaMarcus...>>> inside-outside duo. i guess i just compromise my vote and let the others decide... |
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Post by Alvin Hendrix on May 17, 2010 14:29:50 GMT
Seems like few people out there actually treasure their franchise players like I do. If the 1st rounder is removed I may accept.
Otherwise I dont think its a fair that Portland is giving too much for Iggy. He's like an unpolished & Manic LeBron. And LeBron doesnt even have a great skillset to begin with.
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Post by James McGowan on May 17, 2010 14:48:32 GMT
Seems like few people out there actually treasure their franchise players like I do. If the 1st rounder is removed I may accept. Otherwise I dont think its a fair that Portland is giving too much for Iggy. He's like an unpolished & Manic LeBron. And LeBron doesnt even have a great skillset to begin with. The pick is from a draft that is 2 years away, it doesn't really mean anything to me |
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Post by James McGowan on May 17, 2010 14:52:23 GMT
I've never been one to get to upset about a trade getting rejected or to compare my trade to another I felt shouldn't have been accepted but if this gets rejected after a trade of Eric Gordon for Roy Hibbert was accepted I'm going to be pretty p*ssed
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Post by Alvin Hendrix on May 17, 2010 15:13:22 GMT
I've never been one to get to upset about a trade getting rejected or to compare my trade to another I felt shouldn't have been accepted but if this gets rejected after a trade of Eric Gordon for Roy Hibbert was accepted I'm going to be pretty p*ssed The group of Hendrix haters have grown in a matter of days. Now they're starting to comment on every move i make. Impressive |
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Post by Alvin Hendrix on May 17, 2010 15:18:02 GMT
Seems like few people out there actually treasure their franchise players like I do. If the 1st rounder is removed I may accept. Otherwise I dont think its a fair that Portland is giving too much for Iggy. He's like an unpolished & Manic LeBron. And LeBron doesnt even have a great skillset to begin with. The pick is from a draft that is 2 years away, it doesn't really mean anything to me Oh so it doesnt mean anything to you so you're GIVING it away like a freebie? Why dont you give it to me free of charge then? Seriously what in the world is going on? To add on to what Boston said earlier, there are a hell lot of irresponsible and tactless GMs on top of, and I quote, "a lot of Stupid GMs" around. |
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Post by James McGowan on May 17, 2010 15:22:33 GMT
A pick in a draft that is two years away and is likely to be latter in the draft is worth very little to me whats wrong with me saying that? And how am I hating on you, you wanted to do that trade then OK but I think this is a more fair trade and it looks like it's going to get rejected that's why I'm upset
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Post by Alvin Hendrix on May 17, 2010 15:27:32 GMT
A pick in a draft that is two years away and is likely to be latter in the draft is worth very little to me whats wrong with me saying that? And how am I hating on you, you wanted to do that trade then OK but I think this is a more fair trade and it looks like it's going to get rejected that's why I'm upset Dude Im not rejecting it if you fine tune it. Keep the 1st rounder and I'll accept. If you realised, everyone thinks Iggy is overrated such that you're overcompensating for him. So to make things fairer and I've said that I would accept IF you remove that darn pick. And if you do that, it might present a fairer case for the rest of the members to accept as well. Why get upset over a tiny blunder? I worked hard negotiating every trade that I do, so that its as fair as possible and both parties are happy. Seriously we're not giving it the death sentence now (at least Im not), we're asking you to fine-tune it for your benefit. It won't hurt to renegotiate. Im thinking you might be taking my intentions the wrong way here. |
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Post by Larry Bird on May 17, 2010 15:41:51 GMT
We need a group hug in here. Everyone bring it in.
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Post by James McGowan on May 17, 2010 16:49:16 GMT
I couldn't find anything about rules for trading draft picks posted here but I know in D5 we can trade picks up to 3 years away so I made the pick my 2012 1st
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Post by Ian Noble on May 18, 2010 10:22:22 GMT
Phil Jackson - accept Josh Barber - accept Ian Noble - reject Bobbie Knight - reject Alvin Hendrix - reject I'll PM George Karl! oh well so if i accept its 3:3...which means nothing and if i reject its rejected anyways...its not a bad trade but imo Roy would do better with LaMarcus...>>> inside-outside duo. i guess i just compromise my vote and let the others decide... Dammit George! Do your job!  *slap* Given that Alvin's been saying he'd change his mind if the pick was changed, and Portland's changed the pick, I suppose we can accept this deal, even though I still think it's shit for Philly. |
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Post by Alvin Hendrix on May 18, 2010 11:10:21 GMT
You HAD TO put the pick in. Ahh whatever I accept
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Post by Ian Noble on May 19, 2010 10:51:30 GMT
Trade finalized.
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Post by Ian Noble on May 19, 2010 13:37:52 GMT
Portland must sign a player before this trade can be finalized. I've sent James McGowan a PM.
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Post by Ian Noble on May 22, 2010 11:07:28 GMT
Trade Finalized.
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Portland Trailblazers
LA Clippers
Boston Celtics
Philadelphia 76ers
New Jersey Nets
New York Knicks
Denver Nuggets
Indiana Pacers
*slap*